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I ran across a petition that my uncle invited me to sign. The petition is located here. It is titled,

Declaration of the 2nd Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms and Intentions to Resist Confiscation of Firearms.

Now I am only 29, so I have only seen the film, but it made such an impact that it was the first thing that came to mind when I read the title of this. Ruby Ridge Massacre, and Waco Texas Siege. I linked to two Wikis, because these pages give you an unbiased view on what happened at Ruby Ridge, Idaho between August 21 through to the 31st of August in 1992, and Waco, Texas, February 28, 1993 all the way through April 19, 1993.



Weaver cabin on Ruby Ridge

Randy Weaver’s family including wife Viki Weaver, son Sammy Weaver and his dog Striker, and US Marshall Bill Degan all perished at the end result of what started as a $3000,00 lad dispute and neighbor Terry Kinnison’s sour grapes over loosing the lawsuit and sent letters to the FBI and county sheriff alledging Weaver threatening to kill the Pope, then President George H.W. Bush, and then Idaho governor John V. Evans.  


David Koresh was the then leader of Branch Davidians, a religious sect described as a doomsday cult, located at the compound they named the  Mount Carmel Center. US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agents along with media stormed the compound on February 28, 1993. They were executing a search warrant. This is reason for the search as written on Wikipedia.

“In May 1992, Chief Deputy Daniel Weyenberg of the McLennan County Sheriff’s Department called the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) notifying that his office had been contacted by a local UPS representative. A UPS driver described a package that had broken open on delivery to the Branch Davidian residence, revealing firearms, inert grenade casings, and black powder. On June 9, 1992, a formal investigation was opened and a week later it was classified as sensitive, “thereby calling for a high degree of oversight” from both Houston and Headquarters”


Over head view of Mount Carmel Center Compound before the siege

The resulted after US ATF agents executed a search warrant was a 50 day stand off between David Koresh, and his followers that included at least Fifty-Four men and woman and Twenty-Eight children. Nine people survived.



Waco Siege     waco-siege




Seventy-six men, women and children,including the sect leader Koresh, died in the siege.

I can comprehend why the ATF, felt “threatened”, but what happened should not have happened. They was it was executed was just wrong and the result should have never happened… Ruby Ridge should have never happened. Ruby Ridge and Waco are blemishes on US Marshalls and the FBI, and ATF. They are unfortunately the events that make agency such as the USMS, FBI, and ATF learn from.

When I read material like that petition, I have pictures floating about in my head of Ruby Ridge and Waco. Sure sieges such as the Yearning for Zion Ranch, could happen.



Although this religious sect did not stockpile, but they didn’t fight the seizure of 439 children. Waco had over 200 weapons and over a million, yes a MILLION rounds of ammunition.


If anything History has taught us, is stockpiling, gun toting American’s don’t like being told they can’s have their weapons. Most use the argument “I use them for hunting” I’m sorry but you do not need but you to need





to shoot




or protect




When stockpiling comes into play and people threatening to use force if their playthings are confiscated. Ruby Ridge and Waco HAPPEN. I am all for gun control, but it needs to be done with Ruby Ridge and Waco in mind. It needs to be done well thought out, with safety in mind.


With Ruby Ridge and Waco looming in the not so distant past, I don’t know if a rehash of the past can be avoided. Gun owners are proud of their guns, and they don’t like being told they can not have them.

I think the 2nd Amendment is kind of archaic, kind like the stoning of a disobedient child in


Deuteronomy 21:18-21

18 If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him

19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town.

20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard.”

21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.


We don’t do that to our children, because it is a very old thought. It’s is a ridiculous thought. But we have evolved from that. I think we need to evolve from the idea that everyone has the right to have own and use guns. That is me, but that is what I think.